Transcript of a conversation that occurred in Abudban Local on the 22nd of February 2011 between 02:21 and 04:25. Initiated by E2401 posting a link to this Blog.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yep blasting these evil ‘Roids.
E2401 > Mining is murder!
Cozmik R5 > Agreed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > The evil rocks put hole in windshields and clog up afterburners. They deserve to be eliminated. The Angel Pirates are on the side of the rocks, so the rocks must be evil.
Proteles cristata > No they just have common enemies.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Nope the Angels are the the allies of the evil rocks. Thus the rocks must be purged from the civilized sectors.
Proteles cristata > But the angel bases have barren asteroids. How can this be if they are allies. The Angel Cartel are obviously striping the asteroids around their bases. Why would the rocks be their friends when they do that.
KnyteStorm Hawk > I do not question the ilogic of evil.
Proteles cristata > The Angels are not evil, they have just been left out due to poor social policy.
KnyteStorm Hawk > They and their rock allies can stay in the lawless sectors where their illogical policies are acceptable.
Proteles cristata > But isn't one of the goals of New Eden to be a socially free place for all to do as they wish. With all capsuleers being able to get help to find accommodation and food if they have trouble supporting themselves.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Social freedom still requires laws, or else evil and chaos would rule and would lead to the de-evolution of us all. Thus the outcasts such as the pirates and their ‘Roid allies are deemed fair game to push them back to the lawless lands. And these ‘Roids breed faster then rabbits too.
Proteles cristata > Just because they bread fast is not an excuse for genocide. The farmers in New Zealand tried to genocide the rabbit population and were stopped by the government. This is an example of good conservation. Nature dictates how a population should grow.
KnyteStorm Hawk > I prefer to reform the ‘Roids where I am able, so they may join the civilization in more productive and valued manner. Such as the very lasers I cut them up with were once ‘Roids just like the ones they cut. The same ‘Roids were probably also used to make the very weapons you use to attack us defenseless miners.
E2401 > So when there is no more mining there are no more weapons being made, thus you have peace.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Neither of which will ever occur, Concord uses too much ammo
E2401 > I'm sure they could come up with a way of producing ammo from criminal wrecks
KnyteStorm Hawk > Well the wrecks would disappear also as the same ‘Roids are used to make and fuel them. Oh and not to mention the stations and towers you take haven in.. where do you think they came from. ‘Roids.
Proteles cristata > We accept that the environment has been damaged by mining, but that is no reason to carry on and mine to extinction. If you get a shaving nick on your neck do you keep shaving until you cut your throat.
E2401 > Like i said in our Blog http://newedencs.blogspot.com/ once abundant asteroid belts are now degraded or destroyed. We would have found another way, it only came to this because of initial exploitation of non-renewable resources
KnyteStorm Hawk > But it is renewable they breed faster then we can cut them down.
pockitz > If we don't they will just keep breeding
Proteles cristata > Do they really? All we know is that every day some more appear. We do not know where they come from. There is only a finite amount of matter in the universe. Therefore the rocks are exhaustible.
KnyteStorm Hawk > They are even better than trees, it takes years for trees to regrow, the ‘Roids only take a few days.
Proteles cristata > This refers to the law of Conservation of Energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy) which states that energy (and by implication matter) can not be created or destroyed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Then you have nothing too fear from us mining.
E2401 > The transformation of rocks to ore to items is an exothermic process, thus releasing energy from the environment and increasing the temperature of New Eden. This removes energy from the matter system and reduces the number of rocks.
KnyteStorm Hawk > All of which returns through the natural processes reforming even more ‘Roids. And the cycle continues
Proteles cristata > How can an increasing temperature of New Eden create more rocks? All that does is remove energy from easy availability. It is like mining a geothermal hot-spring for power, and putting the fluid back into the field. It extends that life of the field but the field is still finite.
KnyteStorm Hawk > The energy released causes coalescence of dust particles which bond as they are heated and then the extreme colds of deep space forges the hot gasses into solid rocks.
Proteles cristata > The temperature required to form rock is much higher than can be explained by thermal leakage from the induction processes. What you say has some basis of truth but the quantities required to make the rocks is far too high.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yet it occurs, so maybe there is something missing in the math. A natural variable that you have yet to identify or explain.
Proteles cristata > What you stipulate seems to close to be a perpetual motion machine. It can not work. It is like the ozone hole over the south pole. Only by stopping CFC use was the problem solved (and only then by a short margin).
pockitz > So why do these rocks group up in the same spot everyday? Some sort of group meeting... they’re plotting something.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yep they are plotting with their Angel allies. You notice the Angels always show up in the ‘Roid fields to get their latest orders from the ‘Roids.
pockitz > I guess miners are like 'Roid police.
Mechanoid Kryten > *raises hand* Pardon me professor, but why did they chose to pair up with Serpentis in Gallente space then?
KnyteStorm Hawk > As for the perpetual motion, the universe is vast and constantly in motion.
E2401 > I notice you haven't tried to deny the ‘Roids are in-fact alive, therefore, mining is murder.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Angels are alive too and you kill them.
E2401 > Angels are murdering criminals, like miners. Yet miners go unpunished.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Perhaps the ‘Roids are murdering criminals thus why concord does not react. Perhaps Concord is hiding something from everyone so they don't have to pay bounties on the ‘Roids.
Mechanoid Kryten > Well i do believe i should get a kill mail for clearing out an entire system of rocks!
pockitz > Agreed
E2401 > Have you ever witnessed a ‘Roid attack? This is all just paranoia, the ‘Roids are a peaceful species.
Mechanoid Kryten > I heard merxocit shoot quite hard.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yes I have seen several ships destroyed by ‘Roids.
Mechanoid Kryten > And the veldspar always seem to pull my ship toward then even when i have no intention of mining them.
Proteles cristata > Only in the same way that an animal writhes in pain as it is slowly killed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Oh no the ‘Roids I saw were blasting out waves of energy at everything nearby, worse than smartbombs. And all we were doing was waking up the poor folks sleeping near the ‘Roids
E2401 > The miners are the aggressors, remember who fired first
KnyteStorm Hawk > The rocks. In fact a while back there had been an empire station devastated by a rock..
Mechanoid Kryten > Sometimes when i been mining 35 hours in a row i start to think the rocks are singing to me...
KnyteStorm Hawk > Ah their sirens song trying to lure you deeper in
pockitz > They killed the Dinosaurs, don't underestimate them
E2401 > Then why doesn't Concord intervene? They protect pilots, if the ‘Roids were the aggressors surely they would intervene?
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe Concord is hiding something and if they started to intervene one way or another it might come out.
E2401 > Conspiracy theories, no-one wants to admit to this modern day genocide
Mechanoid Kryten > There has to be some conspiracy, why would all the ABC ores avoid Concord controlled space? Perhaps they sacrificed their lesser brothers and sisters to save themselves.
E2401 > Any population is bound to have a criminal element, let us not judge all ‘Roids by the actions of a few.
Mechanoid Kryten > A gneiss once told me that veldspar was framed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And look at the 4 lost civilizations, all of there areas and bases look to have been destroyed by ‘Roids.
Mechanoid Kryten > For the edification of other miners who may be curious about the physical chemical and biological aspects of the rocks they take for granted
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe Concord know the ‘Roids are behind it all and don't want it getting out. Maybe the ‘Roids are the true master behind all the Pirates, even the wormhole sleeper drones appear to be working for them.
E2401 > Again can can be attributed to a small criminal fraternity, we cannot judge all ‘Roids by this standard.
Mechanoid Kryten > I admit I've been so taken by individual rocks sometimes that i didn't mine them. I mined all around them but left them alone. then i took pictures of them and gave them names. That does imply a form of sentience ... telepathy maybe.
Proteles cristata > That would be like judging the whole of Columbia by the actions of the Drug Cartels.
Mechanoid Kryten > Until someone falls entirely under their control and protects them. like the weak-willed angels we find in the belts
E2401 > New Eden Conservation Society. Rights for 'Roids
KnyteStorm Hawk > But how are we innocent miners to know which are the good and which are the bad, Concord obviously doesn't want to tell us. They ignore the situation entirely
Mechanoid Kryten > Scordite looks especially shifty to me.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And Hemo..
Mechanoid Kryten > And i think the rich plagioclase is in charge of offering Concord bribes... Wait that made no sense. see they are messing with my mind already.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And dense veldspar, just needs reverted back to the gene pool ala Darwin.
Mechanoid Kryten > True, that.
E2401 > You don't expect to share a common language do you?
Mechanoid Kryten > you shoot it and it just sits there. can't be too smart if it does that. I'm a miner and even i don't do that, at least I move slowly out of the way
E2401 > Do you really expect them to speak English, and why should they, they have a different culture, who's to say one is better than the other. ‘Roids have been around far longer than us
KnyteStorm Hawk > And have killed more of us then we have of them. How many planets have they ravaged raining down shards, wiping out almost all life.
Mechanoid Kryten > And like Fedo Infestations on Minmatar ships. (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=jan04)
They will certainly be here after we are all gone. It does not mean anything.
E2401 > Accidents are inevitable, Titans have caused similar damage, just read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Titans_(Chronicle)
KnyteStorm Hawk > And thus Titans are also not allowed in most of the civilized space.
And even the great movement to protect the ‘Roids is slipping, once arguing they were all innocent and now stepping back to say only an isolated few are responsible..
E2401 > but it would be a serious understatement to describe the problems caused by pilots as being the actions of a minority. With 17:1 asteroids to pilots we can be glad of so few 'bad eggs'.
Mechanoid Kryten > I was just evaluated for a possible mining op involving Thashers mining hulks with bullets. I certainly can sympathize with the process. but like me they have pod-clones somewhere or equivalent and return.
E2401 > But the ‘Roids peaceful culture has not necessitated the creation of such technology
KnyteStorm Hawk > Perhaps that is how they are able to repopulate the same areas so fast and we gained it from their examples
Mechanoid Kryten > While that is certainly possible, I prefer the physical "perpetual motion machine" explanation that was proposed earlier. however ... if we are researching theories...does anyone know why there are no Jovians around anymore?
KnyteStorm Hawk > Ah, they are hiding from the roids!
Mechanoid Kryten > I heard from that same Gneiss that the Omber had something to do with it.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And the Talokans, Sleepers, and 2 others all wiped out
Mechanoid Kryten > I don't mine Omber. it scares me. bad, bad rock. bad to the core!
E2401 > But the Jovians released cloning technology didn't they. That would make them the ‘Roids allies.
Mechanoid Kryten > Did they release it, or was it taken from them? Perhaps as a last gasp of a dying species trying to survive their onslaught! *takes another drink of whiskey*
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe they stole it from the ‘Roids along with the other four, that's why the other four were wiped out, and they retreated into hiding. The ‘Roids destroyed the Sleeper race then took control of their remaining drones in the wormholes.
E2401 > If the ‘Roids have such technology why don't the use it against us? this is just more proof of their peaceful intentions. If they could do such damage, whats stopping them finishing the job but their own morals.
Mechanoid Kryten > Ah but they do. Even i have felt the pull of their siren song! Perhaps our pod technology shields us.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe they do use it, in controlling the pirates.
Mechanoid Kryten > And that of course. And of course they have a cease-fire with Concord.
Concord does not protect them but does not mine them either. Now tell me, have you ever seen a Concord mining barge? No? Well then!
KnyteStorm Hawk > Concord must have brokered some kind of deal to stay neutral with them
Mechanoid Kryten > *Takes another drink.*
E2401 > But with such technology they could wipe out all other races. They only maintain peace because they want to. Just because they don't fire back you feel you can attack them.
Mechanoid Kryten > Perhaps they want to be mined.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe they have some greater plan their superiors are hatching deep in lawless space.
Mechanoid Kryten > That's more likely yet. The lowly ones we have here are the outcasts of their society. Perhaps they are like the baby fish eaten by it's own mother, brutal and un-intelligent. *Takes another drink and passes out cold for the night*
E2401 > But any civilisation that has existed for so long, by definition, must be stable. We are the aggressors.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Or the war with the ancient races left them too weakened here to mount the same offensive so they are trying to lure us into thinking they are peaceful. Just look around some systems, never mined but devoid of ‘Roids. Maybe from the war with the ancients.
E2401 > But if that were true then only by maintaining the peace could we survive, why anger them? I don't believe it, people demonize that which they don't understand. It is fear of the unknown.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Or maybe our only chance is to keep them pushed back so they never get a chance to reclaim those systems they lost to the ancients.
E2401 > We once again arrived at conspiracy theories. What proof is there of anything but their peaceful intentions?
KnyteStorm Hawk > The lost ancient civilizations, the emergence of wormholes controlled by ‘Roids and their sleeper drones. Those first explorers of these sudden wormholes were not miners, just peaceful folks flying around and many of them were ruthlessly attacked by both ‘Roids and sleepers.
E2401 > We are recycling our arguments. Hope to do this again sometime.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Of course.
Also available at http://griefer-geddon.blogspot.com/p/asteroid-philosophy.html courtesy of Mechanoid Kryten.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yep blasting these evil ‘Roids.
E2401 > Mining is murder!
Cozmik R5 > Agreed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > The evil rocks put hole in windshields and clog up afterburners. They deserve to be eliminated. The Angel Pirates are on the side of the rocks, so the rocks must be evil.
Proteles cristata > No they just have common enemies.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Nope the Angels are the the allies of the evil rocks. Thus the rocks must be purged from the civilized sectors.
Proteles cristata > But the angel bases have barren asteroids. How can this be if they are allies. The Angel Cartel are obviously striping the asteroids around their bases. Why would the rocks be their friends when they do that.
KnyteStorm Hawk > I do not question the ilogic of evil.
Proteles cristata > The Angels are not evil, they have just been left out due to poor social policy.
KnyteStorm Hawk > They and their rock allies can stay in the lawless sectors where their illogical policies are acceptable.
Proteles cristata > But isn't one of the goals of New Eden to be a socially free place for all to do as they wish. With all capsuleers being able to get help to find accommodation and food if they have trouble supporting themselves.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Social freedom still requires laws, or else evil and chaos would rule and would lead to the de-evolution of us all. Thus the outcasts such as the pirates and their ‘Roid allies are deemed fair game to push them back to the lawless lands. And these ‘Roids breed faster then rabbits too.
Proteles cristata > Just because they bread fast is not an excuse for genocide. The farmers in New Zealand tried to genocide the rabbit population and were stopped by the government. This is an example of good conservation. Nature dictates how a population should grow.
KnyteStorm Hawk > I prefer to reform the ‘Roids where I am able, so they may join the civilization in more productive and valued manner. Such as the very lasers I cut them up with were once ‘Roids just like the ones they cut. The same ‘Roids were probably also used to make the very weapons you use to attack us defenseless miners.
E2401 > So when there is no more mining there are no more weapons being made, thus you have peace.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Neither of which will ever occur, Concord uses too much ammo
E2401 > I'm sure they could come up with a way of producing ammo from criminal wrecks
KnyteStorm Hawk > Well the wrecks would disappear also as the same ‘Roids are used to make and fuel them. Oh and not to mention the stations and towers you take haven in.. where do you think they came from. ‘Roids.
Proteles cristata > We accept that the environment has been damaged by mining, but that is no reason to carry on and mine to extinction. If you get a shaving nick on your neck do you keep shaving until you cut your throat.
E2401 > Like i said in our Blog http://newedencs.blogspot.com/ once abundant asteroid belts are now degraded or destroyed. We would have found another way, it only came to this because of initial exploitation of non-renewable resources
KnyteStorm Hawk > But it is renewable they breed faster then we can cut them down.
pockitz > If we don't they will just keep breeding
Proteles cristata > Do they really? All we know is that every day some more appear. We do not know where they come from. There is only a finite amount of matter in the universe. Therefore the rocks are exhaustible.
KnyteStorm Hawk > They are even better than trees, it takes years for trees to regrow, the ‘Roids only take a few days.
Proteles cristata > This refers to the law of Conservation of Energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy) which states that energy (and by implication matter) can not be created or destroyed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Then you have nothing too fear from us mining.
E2401 > The transformation of rocks to ore to items is an exothermic process, thus releasing energy from the environment and increasing the temperature of New Eden. This removes energy from the matter system and reduces the number of rocks.
KnyteStorm Hawk > All of which returns through the natural processes reforming even more ‘Roids. And the cycle continues
Proteles cristata > How can an increasing temperature of New Eden create more rocks? All that does is remove energy from easy availability. It is like mining a geothermal hot-spring for power, and putting the fluid back into the field. It extends that life of the field but the field is still finite.
KnyteStorm Hawk > The energy released causes coalescence of dust particles which bond as they are heated and then the extreme colds of deep space forges the hot gasses into solid rocks.
Proteles cristata > The temperature required to form rock is much higher than can be explained by thermal leakage from the induction processes. What you say has some basis of truth but the quantities required to make the rocks is far too high.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yet it occurs, so maybe there is something missing in the math. A natural variable that you have yet to identify or explain.
Proteles cristata > What you stipulate seems to close to be a perpetual motion machine. It can not work. It is like the ozone hole over the south pole. Only by stopping CFC use was the problem solved (and only then by a short margin).
pockitz > So why do these rocks group up in the same spot everyday? Some sort of group meeting... they’re plotting something.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yep they are plotting with their Angel allies. You notice the Angels always show up in the ‘Roid fields to get their latest orders from the ‘Roids.
pockitz > I guess miners are like 'Roid police.
Mechanoid Kryten > *raises hand* Pardon me professor, but why did they chose to pair up with Serpentis in Gallente space then?
KnyteStorm Hawk > As for the perpetual motion, the universe is vast and constantly in motion.
E2401 > I notice you haven't tried to deny the ‘Roids are in-fact alive, therefore, mining is murder.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Angels are alive too and you kill them.
E2401 > Angels are murdering criminals, like miners. Yet miners go unpunished.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Perhaps the ‘Roids are murdering criminals thus why concord does not react. Perhaps Concord is hiding something from everyone so they don't have to pay bounties on the ‘Roids.
Mechanoid Kryten > Well i do believe i should get a kill mail for clearing out an entire system of rocks!
pockitz > Agreed
E2401 > Have you ever witnessed a ‘Roid attack? This is all just paranoia, the ‘Roids are a peaceful species.
Mechanoid Kryten > I heard merxocit shoot quite hard.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Yes I have seen several ships destroyed by ‘Roids.
Mechanoid Kryten > And the veldspar always seem to pull my ship toward then even when i have no intention of mining them.
Proteles cristata > Only in the same way that an animal writhes in pain as it is slowly killed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Oh no the ‘Roids I saw were blasting out waves of energy at everything nearby, worse than smartbombs. And all we were doing was waking up the poor folks sleeping near the ‘Roids
E2401 > The miners are the aggressors, remember who fired first
KnyteStorm Hawk > The rocks. In fact a while back there had been an empire station devastated by a rock..
Mechanoid Kryten > Sometimes when i been mining 35 hours in a row i start to think the rocks are singing to me...
KnyteStorm Hawk > Ah their sirens song trying to lure you deeper in
pockitz > They killed the Dinosaurs, don't underestimate them
E2401 > Then why doesn't Concord intervene? They protect pilots, if the ‘Roids were the aggressors surely they would intervene?
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe Concord is hiding something and if they started to intervene one way or another it might come out.
E2401 > Conspiracy theories, no-one wants to admit to this modern day genocide
Mechanoid Kryten > There has to be some conspiracy, why would all the ABC ores avoid Concord controlled space? Perhaps they sacrificed their lesser brothers and sisters to save themselves.
E2401 > Any population is bound to have a criminal element, let us not judge all ‘Roids by the actions of a few.
Mechanoid Kryten > A gneiss once told me that veldspar was framed.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And look at the 4 lost civilizations, all of there areas and bases look to have been destroyed by ‘Roids.
Mechanoid Kryten > For the edification of other miners who may be curious about the physical chemical and biological aspects of the rocks they take for granted
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe Concord know the ‘Roids are behind it all and don't want it getting out. Maybe the ‘Roids are the true master behind all the Pirates, even the wormhole sleeper drones appear to be working for them.
E2401 > Again can can be attributed to a small criminal fraternity, we cannot judge all ‘Roids by this standard.
Mechanoid Kryten > I admit I've been so taken by individual rocks sometimes that i didn't mine them. I mined all around them but left them alone. then i took pictures of them and gave them names. That does imply a form of sentience ... telepathy maybe.
Proteles cristata > That would be like judging the whole of Columbia by the actions of the Drug Cartels.
Mechanoid Kryten > Until someone falls entirely under their control and protects them. like the weak-willed angels we find in the belts
E2401 > New Eden Conservation Society. Rights for 'Roids
KnyteStorm Hawk > But how are we innocent miners to know which are the good and which are the bad, Concord obviously doesn't want to tell us. They ignore the situation entirely
Mechanoid Kryten > Scordite looks especially shifty to me.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And Hemo..
Mechanoid Kryten > And i think the rich plagioclase is in charge of offering Concord bribes... Wait that made no sense. see they are messing with my mind already.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And dense veldspar, just needs reverted back to the gene pool ala Darwin.
Mechanoid Kryten > True, that.
E2401 > You don't expect to share a common language do you?
Mechanoid Kryten > you shoot it and it just sits there. can't be too smart if it does that. I'm a miner and even i don't do that, at least I move slowly out of the way
E2401 > Do you really expect them to speak English, and why should they, they have a different culture, who's to say one is better than the other. ‘Roids have been around far longer than us
KnyteStorm Hawk > And have killed more of us then we have of them. How many planets have they ravaged raining down shards, wiping out almost all life.
Mechanoid Kryten > And like Fedo Infestations on Minmatar ships. (http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=jan04)
They will certainly be here after we are all gone. It does not mean anything.
E2401 > Accidents are inevitable, Titans have caused similar damage, just read http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Titans_(Chronicle)
KnyteStorm Hawk > And thus Titans are also not allowed in most of the civilized space.
And even the great movement to protect the ‘Roids is slipping, once arguing they were all innocent and now stepping back to say only an isolated few are responsible..
E2401 > but it would be a serious understatement to describe the problems caused by pilots as being the actions of a minority. With 17:1 asteroids to pilots we can be glad of so few 'bad eggs'.
Mechanoid Kryten > I was just evaluated for a possible mining op involving Thashers mining hulks with bullets. I certainly can sympathize with the process. but like me they have pod-clones somewhere or equivalent and return.
E2401 > But the ‘Roids peaceful culture has not necessitated the creation of such technology
KnyteStorm Hawk > Perhaps that is how they are able to repopulate the same areas so fast and we gained it from their examples
Mechanoid Kryten > While that is certainly possible, I prefer the physical "perpetual motion machine" explanation that was proposed earlier. however ... if we are researching theories...does anyone know why there are no Jovians around anymore?
KnyteStorm Hawk > Ah, they are hiding from the roids!
Mechanoid Kryten > I heard from that same Gneiss that the Omber had something to do with it.
KnyteStorm Hawk > And the Talokans, Sleepers, and 2 others all wiped out
Mechanoid Kryten > I don't mine Omber. it scares me. bad, bad rock. bad to the core!
E2401 > But the Jovians released cloning technology didn't they. That would make them the ‘Roids allies.
Mechanoid Kryten > Did they release it, or was it taken from them? Perhaps as a last gasp of a dying species trying to survive their onslaught! *takes another drink of whiskey*
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe they stole it from the ‘Roids along with the other four, that's why the other four were wiped out, and they retreated into hiding. The ‘Roids destroyed the Sleeper race then took control of their remaining drones in the wormholes.
E2401 > If the ‘Roids have such technology why don't the use it against us? this is just more proof of their peaceful intentions. If they could do such damage, whats stopping them finishing the job but their own morals.
Mechanoid Kryten > Ah but they do. Even i have felt the pull of their siren song! Perhaps our pod technology shields us.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe they do use it, in controlling the pirates.
Mechanoid Kryten > And that of course. And of course they have a cease-fire with Concord.
Concord does not protect them but does not mine them either. Now tell me, have you ever seen a Concord mining barge? No? Well then!
KnyteStorm Hawk > Concord must have brokered some kind of deal to stay neutral with them
Mechanoid Kryten > *Takes another drink.*
E2401 > But with such technology they could wipe out all other races. They only maintain peace because they want to. Just because they don't fire back you feel you can attack them.
Mechanoid Kryten > Perhaps they want to be mined.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Maybe they have some greater plan their superiors are hatching deep in lawless space.
Mechanoid Kryten > That's more likely yet. The lowly ones we have here are the outcasts of their society. Perhaps they are like the baby fish eaten by it's own mother, brutal and un-intelligent. *Takes another drink and passes out cold for the night*
E2401 > But any civilisation that has existed for so long, by definition, must be stable. We are the aggressors.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Or the war with the ancient races left them too weakened here to mount the same offensive so they are trying to lure us into thinking they are peaceful. Just look around some systems, never mined but devoid of ‘Roids. Maybe from the war with the ancients.
E2401 > But if that were true then only by maintaining the peace could we survive, why anger them? I don't believe it, people demonize that which they don't understand. It is fear of the unknown.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Or maybe our only chance is to keep them pushed back so they never get a chance to reclaim those systems they lost to the ancients.
E2401 > We once again arrived at conspiracy theories. What proof is there of anything but their peaceful intentions?
KnyteStorm Hawk > The lost ancient civilizations, the emergence of wormholes controlled by ‘Roids and their sleeper drones. Those first explorers of these sudden wormholes were not miners, just peaceful folks flying around and many of them were ruthlessly attacked by both ‘Roids and sleepers.
E2401 > We are recycling our arguments. Hope to do this again sometime.
KnyteStorm Hawk > Of course.
Also available at http://griefer-geddon.blogspot.com/p/asteroid-philosophy.html courtesy of Mechanoid Kryten.
